“Just dont ask him about The Sound of Music.”
This was writer-director Shana Feste giving me a polite heads-up as we milled about the screening room of the Crosby Street Hotel in lower Manhattan. In a few moments I would speak with the 88-year-old Christopher Plummer, star of Festes Boundaries, which opens June 22.
“Oh, thats no joke—he really hates talking about it?” I asked. Its true: I was told that while “Chris” is a wonderful man, generous with his time, who shot many days of this indie road movie despite being sick with pneumonia, he really does hate discussing arguably his most famous role. When one comes up to him with questions about the Trapp Family Singers, “you can see it in his face.”
Boundaries co-stars Vera Farmiga as a walking emotional-disaster area trying to ignore her marijuana-dealing father (Plummer) who keeps getting thrown out of assisted-living facilities. (The role is a more debonair version of Festes actual outlaw father.) Naturally, Farmiga and Plummer (plus her kid, A Monster Callss Lewis MacDougall) are forced to take a cross-country drive, where they meet Peter Fonda, Christopher Lloyd, Bobby Cannavale, Kristen Schaal, and the real Papa Feste (who has since died), who buys weed off of Plummer at a rest stop.
Its a role that allows the Canadian-born actor to show off the same charm hes been displaying since he made his Broadway debut in 1953. Plummer has notched 213 film and television credits in the years since, as well as numerous theater roles, though he rose to prominence in a new way last November—when, after reports of Kevin Spaceys alleged sexual misconduct surfaced, Plummer swooped into Ridley Scotts Getty-kidnapping drama, All the Money in the World, and, in nine days, re-shot all of Spaceys scenes. He received an Academy Award nomination for the effort, but also became a viral sensation representing the “cancellation” of bad men. (After the allegations broke, Spacey issued a response in which he apologized to accuser Anthony Rapp but said that he did not remember the incident Rapp described. Later, he announced that he would “seek evaluation and treatment.”)
Sitting across from Plummer, I felt as though I needed one of those lead aprons you get at the dentists: I was bombarded by charisma. The twinkle in his eye and his crooked smile were overwhelming; when he chuckled at a babbling introductory remark, I needed to hold on to the table lest I keeled over. Things went swimmingly until, finally, I did mention The Sound of Music—and just like that, the interview was officially over. There was still a warm handshake with a concluding grin, but I blew it. If only Christopher Plummer could have come and filled in for me at the end.
I hope you are naturally a dog person. There are dogs all over you in this film.
Ive had many, many dogs throughout my long, endless life. I love them dearly. We had four dogs, including a golden retriever that lived to the age of 18. My poor wife had to look after them while I darted around the countryside. She was stuck with them because, while we have help, they are not dog people.
So you werent nervous to work with dogs when you read this script?
I am cagey enough to avoid scene-stealing dogs.
Is this the first time youve played a character based on someone that youve actually met?
I think so. I nearly did meet a chap called Eddie Chapman, who was a British spy during the war, and I played him in an easily forgotten movie called Triple Cross. He was a double spy. He spied for the British and the Germans, can you believe it? I was just about to meet him. But when he was about to come over, he couldnt arrive because the Moroccans had thrown him in jail for some other reason entirely. I love it!
Youve had such a lengthy career. Is this the first time youve worked with a woman director? And on a film thats from a womans autobiographical point of view?
I think its the first time that Ive worked with a woman director on a full-length feature. I adored working with Shana, and I did the film because she was the writer as well as director. Someone, a critic, made a remark that they didnt like the script, but they liked what we did with it. Well, thats bullshit. The script has to be there to begin with so that we can do it.
We all know these trip movies. Cars going across county with dysfunctional families. But she made it with no sentimentality. She tried very hard not to be cute, and she won. So I thought, yes, Id love to play this horrible geezer who insults everybody.
You play a pot dealer. Do you remember your first encounter with cannabis?
I was totally bored with it. I fell asleep immediately. I went gladly and thankfully back to booze. Its more gregarious. Everybodys a pal. And I needed love!
Last year you saved All the Money in the World, somehow shooting your part in just nine days. How much of that, do you think, was possible because of your stage training?
Eighty percent, easily. I thought, Christ, am I really going to hang on to these lines? At my age? It isnt the longest part Ive ever played, but in nine days, its a little outrageous. I was nervous. Ridley Scott was wonderful. He cleared the set. He knew how to help me; he is very confident. The cameras were ready at seven in the morning.
The first day was awful. But we made it. After that, it was fine. I knew my memory could handle it. It was scary, but, goddammit, its fun to take risks.
The Internet has since gone to town, using you as a meme to come in and replace people.
Yes, yes. The latest one is Roseanne. I dont know how they figure that one! But its hilarious.
Its got to make you feel good that you are considered one of the “good guys.”
Absolutely. But [laughing] I dont know how long thats going to last.
You have worked with so many amazing people. I want to name some names, and see what your first reaction is. One word.
Oof.
If you want to say “pass,” you can always say “pass.” I wont be offended.
All right.
William Shatner. He was your understudy in Henry V.
Funny. Hes a very funny man. And I loved playing the Klingon [in Star Trek VI] because my argument won. I refused to play it with the long, terrible makeup. It looks so phony. I wanted to look like Moshe Dayan. [Ed. note: Plummers General Chang has an eyepatch nailed to his face.] I had a ball. He was a good writer that little guy, Nicholas [Meyer].
Jack Nicholson.
Sinister.
Your director with Nicholson on Wolf was Mike Nichols.
Lovely. Lovely man. A bit of a genius, I think.
Spike Lee.
Everything gets in on time. Thats not one word, is it? But he always brings his films in under budget.
More recently, Vera Farmiga.
So warm. You could easily fall in love with her.
Rooney Mara.
A phantom.
I mention her because of Dragon Tattoo, which you worked on with David Fincher. Some say he can be a little cruel to his actors, making them do a million takes.
He does do a lot of takes, but always for a good reason. Ive worked with a lot of directors who do a lot of takes for absolutely no reason whatsoever. They just dont know what they want. So they panic and say “take 50!” and you just want to go home. Its so embarrassing.
Al Pacino.
A love, Al.
I can see you guys being pals. I can see you two out to dinner.
You paying the check? No, we are total opposites—but for that reason it is a good friendship. Hes loyal to me. If I get some sort of prize, hes the one to give it to me.
And on The Insider, it was Michael Mann directing you two.
When I first met him, I said he has the bedside manner of Nosferatu. But he turned out to be a marvelous director. But enormously shy. Hence, not looking at you. But I loved working with him, and that was an important movie. Those godawful cigarette people
You made a low-budget movie in the 1970s in Italy that has since gone on to be something of a cult classic, called Starcrash. A Star Wars rip-off.
Thats become a cult classic? Youre joking!
And you play the Emperor—
And your son is David Hasselhoff.
[Laughs] Yes, thats right.
And also Caroline Munro is in there.
She was something to look at.
Youve only got a few scenes, but its quite a thing.
The only nice thing was Rome. Shooting at Cinecittà. And Caroline. I took her out to dinner a few times. She was lovely. But lovely with a Scuttish accent you could coot with a fookin knife. I couldnt believe this beauty was talking like that!
I love The New World, but I know you arent too thrilled with Terrence Malick.
I dont like what he does to actors. Its perhaps without any intention, because hes off in his own little . . . [makes hand gestures]. I liked him, we got on well, but when I went to see the film, not only was my part cut and put into other situations, the same for the lead, Colin Farrell. His story didnt finish. The story is about John Smith, and it got cut right off and another actor, Christian Bale, shows up.
The opening is wonderful. The entrance of the ships is so poetic. So I wrote him and congratulated him on that, but said, what happened to the rest of the fucking movie, you prick? Theres a pretension that is so enormous. I said, youve got to get yourself a writer!
Theres also a movie I wont ask you about. But I am curious if you met Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein.
Well, Oscar Hammerstein I knew because I was dating his step-daughter, Susan Blanchard. So I would go to the Hammerstein house in New York with Susan, and thats how I met him.
I met Richard Rodgers after the film was over. I couldnt say anything.
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Shes planning to drop a surprise album.
October marks two years since Taylor Swift released 1989, which means its about time for the artist to drop new music based on the two-year-cycle shes followed since her first album in 2006. Swifties have been holding their breath, convinced that the singer will surprise us, Beyoncé style, with new music before the end of 2016. Fans have also wondered if her choker-wearing sartorial choices are the artists way of teasing her new albums image. Top it off with squad members hinting at Swift being back in the studio, several breakups to provide fodder for new music, and an alleged music leak from the artist and this theory seems fated to come true. The icing on the conspiracy cake: The president of Swifts music label allegedly tweeted “no” when someone asked if wed get new Swift music anytime soon—and then the tweet disappeared.Photo: Gary Miller/FilmMagic
She is the reincarnated leader of a Satanic cult.
This one is by far the most bizarre conspiracy theory to surface in the singers career. Around 2011, fans began to notice a striking resemblance between Swift and a woman named Zeena Schreck, who just happened to be the High Priestess of the Church of Satan from 1985 to 1990. Naturally, that led people to wonder if Swift was actually a reincarnated Schreck. This is highly unlikely, given that Schreck is still alive. Shes reportedly working in Berlin as an artist and magician—or, take your pick, living life as the traded-her-soul-to-the devil international pop star we all adore.Photo: Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images
Her open letter to Apple was planned in advance with the company.
On June 21, 2015, Taylor Swift single-handedly transformed the music industry with a casual 4 a.m. letter to Apple, in the form of a Tumblr post. By the next day, Apple had changed its tune about paying artists for its streaming service. Naysayers immediately noticed how uncharacteristically simple it was to get a huge tech company to make a 180-turn in mere hours, and thus a conspiracy theory was born. Many suspect that the Swift-Apple partnership was forged back in 2014, when Swift had a falling out with Spotify (coincidentally an Apple Music competitor) over artist wages. Considering that the star was already highly influential with fans and media, it would make sense for Apple to team up with her. Not long after the Apple letter, Taylor starred in ads for Apple Music. Conspiracy theory or perfectly executed PR move?Photo: Dave Hogan/Getty Images for TAS
She only carries empty purses.
The only thing more recognizable than a Taylor Swift hook is her signature purse-carrying technique. Many have speculated that the effortless way she drapes her handbags over her forearm must mean they are empty. After all, if they contained the four months worth of receipts, pens, gum wrappers, makeup, and small animals that normal peoples bags do, they would be too heavy to rest comfortably on her arm.Photo: Josiah Kamau/BuzzFoto/FilmMagic
Shes an active member of 4Chan.
You didnt think wed leave Taylors cats out of this, did you? Meredith Grey and Olivia Benson (not to be mistaken for the TV characters) are arguably the most famous felines in the world. So when Swift announced that her first cat would be named Meredith, Internet detectives did some digging into the dark webs and noticed a member of 4Chan—an anonymous posting site known for insidious behavior including hacks and leaks—also seemed fond of the name. People allegedly also traced several other posts back to the singer. The whole situation would be very out of character for the seemingly squeaky-clean Tay, considering the websites notorious reputation.Photo: Raymond Hall/GC Images
Shes bisexual or gay.
Taylor is no stranger to dating rumors, but a December 2014 video that allegedly showed Swift in a lip-lock with her best friend Karlie Kloss at a 1975 concert threw conspiracy theorists into a tizzy that the singer is secretly dating the model. What hasnt helped: the mounds of Kaylor fanfic on Tumblr, written by fans who believe Swift uses her famous relationships as beards for her sexuality. The theory dates back several years, with many believing Swift once dated Glee star Dianna Agron. Swift has tried to put an end to the speculation with a sassy tweet calling out the media for accusing her of false romances, but it only added fuel to the Kaylor fire.Photo: Kevin Mazur/AMA2014/WireImage
Her feud with Kanye West was orchestrated for mutually-benefiting fame.
And speaking of the Illuminati: In 2009, Kanye West infamously crashed the VMAs stage and uttered “Imma let you finish,” launching a public feud that has persisted for seven years. Kanyes actions, whether malicious or not, turned both performers into instant household names; Taylor as Americas sweetheart and Kanye as the rebel rapper. Some wonder if it was all too perfect, and if Kanyes interruption was actually orchestrated by both PR teams to help cement their careers. Others wonder if Kanyes act during the award show was actually him inducting Swift into the Illuminati, since initiations allegedly include public acts of humiliation. Further proof? His line in his song “Famous” suggests he “made” her famous, a.k.a he gave her Illuminati status. The layers of the conspiracy theory continue to pile on, as others suggest that even if Kanye and Taylors VMA moment was originally spontaneous, the recent feuds surrounding Wests song have all simply been publicity stunts to keep the artists in the media. One thing we can all agree on: Taylor Swift and Kanye West have one of the best conspiracy theories of all time.Photo: Christopher Polk/Getty ImagesPreviousNext
Shes planning to drop a surprise album.
October marks two years since Taylor Swift released 1989, which means its about time for the artist to drop new music based on the two-year-cycle shes followed since her first album in 2006. Swifties have been holding their breath, convinced that the singer will surprise us, Beyoncé style, with new music before the end of 2016. Fans have also wondered if her choker-wearing sartorial choices are the artists way of teasing her new albums image. Top it off with squad members hinting at Swift being back in the studio, several breakups to provide fodder for new music, and an alleged music leak from the artist and this theory seems fated to come true. The icing on the conspiracy cake: The president of Swifts music label allegedly tweeted “no” when someone asked if wed get new Swift music anytime soon—and then the tweet disappeared.Gary Miller/FilmMagic
She is the reincarnated leader of a Satanic cult.
This one is by far the most bizarre conspiracy theory to surface in the singers career. Around 2011, fans began to notice a striking resemblance between Swift and a woman named Zeena Schreck, who just happened to be the High Priestess of the Church of Satan from 1985 to 1990. Naturally, that led people to wonder if Swift was actually a reincarnated Schreck. This is highly unlikely, given that Schreck is still alive. Shes reportedly working in Berlin as an artist and magician—or, take your pick, living life as the traded-her-soul-to-the devil international pop star we all adore.Trae Patton/NBC/NBCU Photo Bank via Getty Images
Her open letter to Apple was planned in advance with the company.
On June 21, 2015, Taylor Swift single-handedly transformed the music industry with a casual 4 a.m. letter to Apple, in the form of a Tumblr post. By the next day, Apple had changed its tune about paying artists for its streaming service. Naysayers immediately noticed how uncharacteristically simple it was to get a huge tech company to make a 180-turn in mere hours, and thus a conspiracy theory was born. Many suspect that the Swift-Apple partnership was forged back in 2014, when Swift had a falling out with Spotify (coincidentally an Apple Music competitor) over artist wages. Considering that the star was already highly influential with fans and media, it would make sense for Apple to team up with her. Not long after the Apple letter, Taylor starred in ads for Apple Music. Conspiracy theory or perfectly executed PR move?Dave Hogan/Getty Images for TAS
She only carries empty purses.
The only thing more recognizable than a Taylor Swift hook is her signature purse-carrying technique. Many have speculated that the effortless way she drapes her handbags over her forearm must mean they are empty. After all, if they contained the four months worth of receipts, pens, gum wrappers, makeup, and small animals that normal peoples bags do, they would be too heavy to rest comfortably on her arm.Josiah Kamau/BuzzFoto/FilmMagic
Her relationship with Tom Hiddleston was all a publicity stunt.
Its not unusual for Taylor Swift to be accused of faking a relationship; almost every one of her suitors has been questioned for their legitimacy. But none have been as highly scrutinized as Tom Hiddleston. Swifts abrupt breakup with Calvin Harris set a bumpy stage for her whirlwind (and short-lived) romance with the actor. People speculated it was all a PR strategy created to deflect attention from her breakup; to get Tom the publicity he needed to land an Emmy (didnt work); and to help cover up Snapchatgate. After all, Swift was “caught” kissing Tom right around the time Kim Kardashian West began raising questions about Swifts knowledge of Kanye Wests song “Famous.” Other Internet sleuths have suggested that their romance was a piece of elaborate performance art that depicted how the public deals with celebrity romances. Imagine that. Clues include Taylors throwback wardrobe choices that re-enact famous dating moments, and the couples paparazzi shots all being snapped by the same agency.Jerad Williams/Newspix/Getty Images
She has no belly button.
Just call Tay “Kyle XY,” because her stomach is totally dent-free. Swifts fondness for high-waisted pants and skirts convinced the Internet that the pop star was an alien/superhuman born without a navel. The singer didnt even seem to mind it, once famously telling Lucky Magazine in December 2014 that she never wanted fans to know the truth about her midriff. While we cant deny Taylor isnt extraterrestrial, the celeb quickly put an end to the biologically-impossible rumors by flashing her belly button in a bikini Instagram in early 2015, and later in a fan photo that turned into a Reddit Photoshop battle.Kevin Winter/Getty Images for CBS Radio Inc.
She has an evil twin who lives in Japan.
This theory has all the toppings of a perfectly delicious Internet rumor: burgers, evil twins, and terrible advertising. The Internet unearthed an old Japanese commercial for McDonalds that features a model in a red wig who bears a devilish similarity to Swift. It seemed obvious to some that Swift had banished her kin to Japan to stop her from getting in the way of her career. Some “proof” they share a burger gene: Taylors “Eating cheeseburgers, scribbling on guitars, writing songs with @edsheeran” tweet.Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images
Shes actually named Becky.
Tumblr rears its hilarious and oddball head with this joke-meets-conspiracy-theory. In April 2012, Tumblr user Yallarebrutalizingme posted a picture of a high-school Swift, claiming it was a friend named Becky who died of a drug overdose. It immediately turned into an inside joke for Swift fans, which Taylor even played into, wearing a “No, its Becky” t-shirt. Somewhere out there, Becky is happy to know her legacy lives on.Stephen Lovekin/Getty Images
She wears gym clothes but doesnt exercise.
No one has ever seen Taylor Swift sweat. So its speculated that the artist is not human (keep reading for more on this) or that she simply goes to gyms to seem relevant but never actually works out. Evidence? Every paparazzi shot of her leaving the gym in a perfectly-styled ensemble. Or, you know, she showers and owns a hair dryer. But wheres the fun in that?Raymond Hall/GC Images
Shes a member of the Illuminati.
In 2016 youre not an A-list celeb if you havent been labeled as an Illuminati, so Taylor should be honored to top this elite list. Conspiracy theorists draw a direct line between Swifts connection to the number 13 and the Illuminatis worship of the Satanic digits. Swift has spoken about the numbers significance in her life, telling MTV, “I was born on the 13th. I turned 13 on Friday the 13th. My first album went gold in 13 weeks. My first #1 song had a 13-second intro. Every time Ive won an award Ive been seated in either the 13th seat, the 13th row, the 13th section or row M, which is the 13th letter.” She even paints the number on her hand before concerts. The admission gave conspiracy theorists everything they needed to construct their argument for the occult.Axelle/Bauer-Griffin/FilmMagic
Her legs are insured for $40 million.
In March 2015, several outlets reported that the pop star had taken dramatic and expensive measures to protect her long and lean limbs. Despite the supposed report, the rumor is a common claim for celebrities; everyone from Jennifer Lopez to Julia Roberts allegedly has insured body parts. Swift even poked fun a the conspiracy theory, posting a picture to Instagram about her cat scratching her leg and owning her major money.George Pimentel/LP5/Getty Images for TAS
Her song “Wildest Dreams” is about Zac Efron.
Rumors continue to fly that Swift and Efron are a couple, or are at least interested dating in each other. The will-they-wont-they question first surfaced after the two celebs worked together in 2012s The Lorax. When Swift released the music video for Wildest Dreams in 2015, the stage was perfectly set for people to wonder if the videos Scott Eastwood — a good-looking brunette portraying an actor — was meant to represent Efron. Conspiracy theorists on Reddit even linked Eastwoods outfit in the video to Efrons outfit for the Lorax red carpet premiere. Shippers of Efron-Swift also suggest the song “Come Back Be Here” from the Red album is about Zac.
Shes an active member of 4Chan.
You didnt think wed leave Taylors cats out of this, did you? Meredith Grey and Olivia Benson (not to be mistaken for the TV characters) are arguably the most famous felines in the world. So when Swift announced that her first cat would be named Meredith, Internet detectives did some digging into the dark webs and noticed a member of 4Chan—an anonymous posting site known for insidious behavior including hacks and leaks—also seemed fond of the name. People allegedly also traced several other posts back to the singer. The whole situation would be very out of character for the seemingly squeaky-clean Tay, considering the websites notorious reputation.Raymond Hall/GC Images
Shes bisexual or gay.
Taylor is no stranger to dating rumors, but a December 2014 video that allegedly showed Swift in a lip-lock with her best friend Karlie Kloss at a 1975 concert threw conspiracy theorists into a tizzy that the singer is secretly dating the model. What hasnt helped: the mounds of Kaylor fanfic on Tumblr, written by fans who believe Swift uses her famous relationships as beards for her sexuality. The theory dates back several years, with many believing Swift once dated Glee star Dianna Agron. Swift has tried to put an end to the speculation with a sassy tweet calling out the media for accusing her of false romances, but it only added fuel to the Kaylor fire.Kevin Mazur/AMA2014/WireImage
Her feud with Kanye West was orchestrated for mutually-benefiting fame.
And speaking of the Illuminati: In 2009, Kanye West infamously crashed the VMAs stage and uttered “Imma let you finish,” launching a public feud that has persisted for seven years. Kanyes actions, whether malicious or not, turned both performers into instant household names; Taylor as Americas sweetheart and Kanye as the rebel rapper. Some wonder if it was all too perfect, and if Kanyes interruption was actually orchestrated by both PR teams to help cement their careers. Others wonder if Kanyes act during the award show was actually him inducting Swift into the Illuminati, since initiations allegedly include public acts of humiliation. Further proof? His line in his song “Famous” suggests he “made” her famous, a.k.a he gave her Illuminati status. The layers of the conspiracy theory continue to pile on, as others suggest that even if Kanye and Taylors VMA moment was originally spontaneous, the recent feuds surrounding Wests song have all simply been publicity stunts to keep the artists in the media. One thing we can all agree on: Taylor Swift and Kanye West have one of the best conspiracy theories of all time.Christopher Polk/Getty Images
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