Ezra Miller Explaining the Fantastic Beasts Ending Only Makes It More Confusing

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This post contains spoilers for Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald.

The general, polite consensus about Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald is that the movie is, at best, deeply confusing. (At worst, its worse.) Clarity is difficult to come by here, especially in the final few scenes—when we learn that Credence Barebone, played by Ezra Miller, is somehow the secret brother of Albus Dumbledore. That detail is delivered by Grindelwald himself (Johnny Depp), who doesnt reveal how he came to glean this special piece of information. A secret Dumbledore brother was never alluded to in the original Harry Potter books, making this twist even more befuddling to fans—though perhaps not quite as mystifying as the random cameo by Minerva McGonagall, an appearance that defies the Potter canons established timeline.

Now, here to make this twist even more confusing is Ezra Miller himself, who attempted to explain it in an interview with IndieWire. Miller first threw some doubt on Grindelwalds revelation, saying, “I guess the point of this film is probably dont take anything that metaphorical Grindelwald says as gospel in general. But do we bring that forward, then apply it to the information he gives the Obscurial at the end of the film? Well, I dont know, honestly. Maybe not.”

O.K., so . . . maybe its true, maybe not? Miller continued, attempting to explain how Grindelwald could have come by such rare and specific information.

“I think that, on the one hand, from a Harry Potter canon perspective, there are reasons why Grindelwald would definitely know something like that, given his connection to Albus and that family,” the actor said. “And we know he had this history that involved Aberforth and Ariana [Dumbledores known siblings]. So its not impossible that theres validity and truth to it.”

Are you properly confused now? Good, because he has one more thing to add: “Is it impossible that Grindelwald is lying? Obviously. Also, no—its not impossible.”

Miller is maybe beholden to some sort of studio-sanctioned doublespeak, which will give J.K. Rowling, the Potter creator who also penned both Fantastic Beasts screenplays, space to do whatever she wants with the third film. Or maybe hes honestly just as confused as the fans are. The only thing we know for sure is that movie is still as confusing as ever.

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The Woman in Black (2012)

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“The people I admire are always the people that manage to mix it up and do both: do super commercial stuff, and do super weird indies as well,” Radcliffe said. “And thats kind of the career I want for myself.”

A highlight from that experience, Radcliffe added, was working with Michael Caine, whose achievements and reputation he called “the Everest of my own personal aspiration.”

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